LET’S LIE FOR DOLLARS AND POUNDS

On this site we have shown many of the lies being peddled by TB Joshua’s ex-disciples whom have form a bloc to rebel against TB Joshua and the SCOAN for failing to become either a Prophet or Prophetess. Some of the words used to address TB Joshua are so strong that we at Watching TB Joshua decided to take up the issue, digging deep into some of the issues raised by these so called ex-disciples, and men of God out of sheer jealousy.

Madeleine: A commenter on one of the blogs used to spread malicious and fabricated lies against TB Joshua and his ministry, she had this to say, “All information about TB Joshua that I have read from the Internet indicates that he is not accountable. I have also met a Nigerian church leader visiting England who has said exactly the same.”

Madeleine We don’t get it. Apart from God who called and commissioned him (TB Joshua), who do they want him to be accountable to? Let’s look at Jesus himself and the great men of God in the bible, there is something always unique about them and their calling, so also TB Joshua’s calling is unique. Talking about Nigeria Church Leaders, most of them belong to the PFN and have one way or the other gone to the media to make some despicable statements against TB Joshua and his ministry. The tone and style of some of the writings reveals a deep seated hatred for the Prophet. The writer of such despicable stories against the SCOAN does not even acknowledge the many good things Prophet TB Joshua is doing for Nigeria in particular and for humanity in general. Let’s not be blinded by myopic and false considerations! God alone is the supreme judge and the truth shall prevail! Dollars and Pounds do not allow them to say the truth.

Believe us when we say there are many things we would prefer to be doing than running this site – but if it can help save just a few people from the being deceived like somewhatsober,  a commenter who left a comment on our post titled Final Part – War in the Church, Many against TB Joshua saying; I confess to being guilty of believing the unqualified rumors against TB Joshua, to my shame I even name-called him in a most disrespectful way in a ANTI SCOAN SITE, having fallen for the lies. I needed those lies in order to satisfy my own failures at SCOAN. Click here to view the comment direct on our blog

The comment above was left by someone who was deceived by one of the blogs formed by ex-disciples of TB Joshua who were not sincere during their stay at the SCOAN, hence they failed.

Another commenter Kelly wrote on their blog:

You did not tell the world you were going to the SCOAN, so it will be ridiculous when you start telling the world that you left. Kelly Was referring to those who claimed they have wasted their time at SCOAN

After months of slander and defamation, Anti SCOAN Sites finally agrees there is no evidence to support their claim of sexual abuse charges against T.B. Joshua. This is funny considering the fact that they have heaped invectives, called him names and I am wondering why they have not rendered a formal apology to the man of God. In their latest article they said:

‘We’re not saying these allegations are definitely true – we’d have no evidence to support that claim.’

If they claim there is indeed no evidence to support their claims, why are they now saying the allegations must be ‘investigated?’  If they have evidence, it is incumbent upon them to provide them to the police to investigate, because you cannot investigate anything without evidence.

They must for once keep their mouths shut and concentrate on building their lives instead of becoming permanent bloggers. If their aim is to destroy the man of God then they have failed in their venture.

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TB Joshua “I’am very, very sorry says Agomoh Paul” Now Exposed

You may have heard or seen one or two things about the ministry of and person of TB Joshua. Some may have been incredibly shocking and unbelievable to the eyes and ears. We live in a world where lies and falsehood reign. Watch this video to find out the truth and let the truth set you free!

Agomoh Paul wanted to be the one to be send to South Africa or London, but he was sent to GHANA he decided to rebel against the SCOAN. He teamed up with Bisola Johnson and Ladi Thompson to produce to their liers on the DVD they sold for $40.00 each

 

TB Joshua “The most needed”

Amidst all the imprudence of argument and controversy spurned by critics over TB Joshua’s prophecies on several SCOAN critic sites, we stumbled across two insightful responses to critics worthy of note on a SCOAN critic site, which the cynics just ignore, but would be treasured by people with a conscience, a heart for God and all things true.

When Will the world eventually Believe TB Joshua?

eyetbjoshua PERMALINK January 17, 2012 8:30 pm

People of this generation! We’ll never change. We’re just too blindfolded. When pharaoh heard there was a ‘boy’ who could interpret dreams he immediately sent for him cos he wanted whatever problem to be averted neglecting the caliber of person he was. And Claire you made mention that if he had given this prophecy in 2001 it would have been useful. But are you aware these prophecies were also given in 2008?

About economic crises?. Now is this the month of October 2011? These leaders are just like you guys who never believe until it happens. When are you guys ever going to believe this prophet? Even these same moderators analyzed his prophecies and told us it was more accurate/true than false. But why wouldn’t you guys accept the truth? Maybe you never watched that video. Cos he made mention of the scarcity of oil. And said even there wouldn’t be enough money to purchase oil. And before the prophecy TB Joshua kept advising Nigerians about the exchange of oil for dollars.

So he did mention the cause. And gave the way out. How can we call all these mere coincidence?As much as God would love to communicate His words to us, HE does it through His prophets. Or would u prefer Him to use stones? He did not speak to His people with Stones in the past. So He’ll not now.

World leaders meet on economic issues, But where are the Divine economists? Little wonder our the world economy is in a total mess now!

The Purpose Of TB Joshua’s World Prophecies

soe PERMALINK August 16, 2011 8:52 am

It’s logical to conclude that if God has shown TB Joshua these future events and disasters before they happen, it means God has also given him the SOLUTION and PRECAUTIONS if it is an imminent danger or a disaster- which is the real essence of these prophecies

So I think he gives the prophecies as he’s shown- which should get the attention of the people or nations concerned to seek COUNSEL of the LORD through him – or who else is better to seek counsel from than the one to whom it was revealed- just as pharaoh rightly knew that was why he said to Joseph:

“Since God has shown you all this, there is none as discerning and wise as you are. – Genesis 41:39-

Imagine pharaoh going ahead to consult the economists or food experts of his day on the way out of the imminent famine Joseph predicted? They would likely have suggested irrigation systems, or dry farming-and thus lead the world to starve to death.

But the one with divine insight knew the true extent of the famine- that nothing and nothing could be done except to store up food and preserve it.

If our leaders worldwide are going to save thousands of lives from natural disasters, save lots of money pumped into the relief of affected areas and companies save themselves huge losses etc. they should learn from pharaoh in the bible who when Joseph revealed the future disaster to happen to his nation to him, consulted him for a way out.

This is where our leaders and politicians are lacking today- Consulting the scientists and other experts (which is not wrong) but neglects prophets Like TB Joshua.

The details of his prophecies may not be enough to make everyone get the whole picture, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out from the abridged but explicit and sharp details he gives- that he knows more than he’s telling. Which he often hints by saying:

“God showed me the whole thing clearly” but “I will not say more than that”

personally I believe “God shows him everything about the event he prophesies about” but giving full details publicly could make some even allege that he himself caused the event to happen if it’s a disaster, so I think the abridged version is just a way of being careful when delivering such a sensitive message to the public.

A servant cannot be greater than his Master, the bible says;

Jesus did not say a word to the people without using a parable, but when he was alone with his disciples he explained everything” Mark 4:34

I very much believe he would go into the complete details if he met the people concerned.

No matter what we say here, one fact remains- prophets with such prophetic prowess like his appear only once in a while, we are yet to see any other like him, and the earlier we embrace” his gift” the better for all of us- with such prophets in our midst- it is needless recording thousands of lives lost in natural disasters Or nations nose diving into economic crisis and the likes, of him the saying is really true” a prophet to the nations”!

When the World would eventually Believe TB Joshua

With the counsel of prophets like him thousands of people should have long evacuated an area before an earthquake occurs, a tornado, tsunami, or fire would strike a place already empty of people. Planes that would crash would not even take off at all- etc. in the end thousands would be saved.

Setting the stage for humanities final performance” – if we continue to ignore this prophet on the impending economic crisis, the world may well be on the brink of doom, as Egypt would have been if they had ignored Joseph on the impending Famine.

Final Part – War in the Church, Many Against TB Joshua

The undiluted word of God has been taken over by the prosperity message being propounded by Kenneth Copeland and the likes which has now shamelessly reverberated across Europe and Africa. People do not worship God in Spirit and in

Kenneth Copeland

truth but now lean on their own understanding of what is good and just. The congregation is called onto give thousands within 24 hours in order to reap ten fold. The church is now operating as a National Lottery Company where people go on to stake money in order to win vast amounts of money.  The Church being a charity is exempted from paying taxes as such we all expect the church to be more involved in caring for both the physical and spiritual needs of the people.

We should endeavour to follow the foot steps of the orthodox churches because as missionaries  they  came down to Africa and made it a point to establish schools, health centres and hostels for caring of the destitute and the physically disabled in society. To be candid, most of our educated men and women in Africa who parade around with big titles benefited immensely from these churches. What have we also done to improve the quality of life to our kith and kin? I want the giants or the so called giants of the Pentecostal churches to start moving in the direction of investing in the welfare of their congregation and beyond, instead of becoming experts on fund raising. Fundraising has now become a

Eddie Long

Creflo Dollar

calling for some pastors and this is quite disturbing indeed.  Competition is rife among pastors each wanting to undo each other in both dressing and the number of cars and planes they have. A famous pastor in Ghana while opening a branch of his Church in Kumasi, Ghana had this to say, “No matter how rich you are in my church, I will not allow you to intimidate me with your wealth because you cannot even buy the perfume I use not to talk of the attire I wear,” he told the congregation at the church located at Abrepo. Hear him again, “As a Christian, you should wear the best of clothing, drive in expensive cars, and live in comfortable houses so that the glory of God could be seen in your life because the God you worship is very expensive,” he intimated. If this is a mentality of a man of God, then I plead with the God Almighty forgive us and deliver us from our sins. I am not writing to castigate this mighty man of God but every thing must be examined in the light of God’s word. Let’s ask ourselves, are his words biblical and in accordance with God’s word? With thatin mind we can get the answer. In London, I have virtually seen pastors begging visiting pastors from Nigeria and elsewhere to be their father in the Lord, some to the extent of

Ayo Oritsejafo

paying huge amount of monies for that purpose in order for to preach on the platforms of these maga pastors and to be introduced to their foreign contacts. A visiting pastor who used to frequent London from Wari, Nigeria on preaching engagements, stopped coming to London for a very long time because he fell out with the pastor of the largest African Charismatic church in London for referring to Eddie Long as his father in Christ, because according to him he helped him a great deal when he left the Four Square Church that brought him to London to form his now mega church in Walthamstow, London. This pastor has now resurfaced after many years of absence but still refuses to preach for this pastor in question. We Christians have forgotten the love of God that surpasses all understanding. We don’t have the love of God in us, darkness has overshadowed the light in us and unless we expunge the darkness in us by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (light) in us through prayers and the forgiveness of our sins we shall continue to be defeated souls. Let the love of God reign in us. Let us emulate Christ as Paul admonishes us to do.  We should also pray for our jet flying pastors with flamboyant lifestyles who have joined the ministry with the sole purpose of making financial gains in the mist of squalor and poverty among the general population.

Though we Pentecostals or charisma tics lambast and make a mockery of the Catholics and the other churches, we have not been able to be in the fore front of outdoing them in giving to the needy. The only notable example of a giving Prophet is T.B. Joshua. He stands over and above his compatriots. Giving has become part of his life and that of his ministry. He as a pastor does not vilify the Catholic Church or any other faith but insist on people having a personal relationship with the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the God of glory. To examine whether a pastor is genuine or not, listen to his preaching and whether it is in accordance with the word of God and also ask God whether the person is really called by Him. God will definitely give you an answer. Don’t rely on man to give you the answer.

In concluding the series, I paste an article by the world renowned Bible scholar and a prominent lawyer in New Zealand, Bill Subritzky, who led a team of seven of his church members to Lagos to examine the ministry of T.B. Joshua. Read below

Bill Subritzky

As an evangelist who has proclaimed the gospel of Jesus Christ in many nations for the past 30 years and operated in the power of the Holy Spirit, I can assure you that the healings that we were received were not the work of hypnosis and shamanism. Why don’t you go there yourself and check the situation out?

You say that on your Truth Watch website there are articles by leading Christian apologists and teachers who have been to Joshua’s church and tested what he teaches and does against the bible. I can find no such apologists and teachers upon your website. To the contrary, on websites such as http://www.carmel-uk.org/stoke_report.htm there are testimonies of some of those who have been there, who have seen healings and confirmed that this is the work of God. [Note: Carmel Ministries International have approached Truth Watch, and have informed us that they no longer endorse the Ministry of TB Joshua. Therefore the link referred to by Bill Subritzky no longer exists on their website]

You mentioned Joshua’s statement that he was born with a gift of healing and you say that no gift of the Spirit is bestowed at birth. In 2 Timothy 1:5 Paul recalls a gift of faith that was first in Timothy’s grandmother Lois and in his mother Eunice. John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mothers womb (Luke 1:15). They were obviously born with this gift of faith. In my own family five of my sixteen grandchildren have the same gift of faith as did my own mother. How can you say that God cannot grant gifts that go down through the generations?

In Jeremiah 1:4-5 God said about Jeremiah who was a herdsman “I said that before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Before you were born I sanctified you, I ordained you a prophet to the nations”.

You quote Joshua as saying that he claims to separate the sheep from the goats. In actual fact in commenting on identifying false miracle workers and the genuine ministers of God he says “I think we should leave that one to God who will separate the sheep from the goats at the appointed time”. That was his comment.

In regard to your comment that he says that the “divine in him appears to people in their dreams”. Joshua’s reply is that this is gross misinformation and most misleading. He has never said anything like that. He points out Jesus Christ is omnipresent, the Holy Spirit is omnipresent “where shall I go from the Spirit, where I can flee from your presence” (Psalm 139:7). This is what he is referring to and not himself.

In Acts 19:11-12 it states that unusual miracles occurred by the hands of Paul so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were bought from his body to the sick and diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. In the 30 years of my own ministry I have seen this happen many times. Furthermore I have seen it happen when I have prayed over other articles of clothing. God is not limited. Jesus Christ spat on the ground to make mud to heal the blind. Elijah instructed the leper to go to the River Jordan to be washed and be cleansed of his leprosy. By the rod of Moses waters were turned into blood, the frogs came on the land of Egypt, lice filled Egypt. The mantle of Elijah divided the waters, and in the hair of Samson there was power. When the angel stirred up the water in the pool of Bethesda whoever stepped in first was healed in the waters. There was power on the hem of Jesus’ garment. Why should there not be power in water which has been prayed over by Joshua?

Accordingly when Joshua prays over the water and people drink it, it is not surprising that massive deliverance occurs as the power of the Holy Spirit flows. You call it all sorts of disorder and say that disorder should be foreign to God’s people. Obviously you have overlooked Acts 8:6-7 “And the multitudes with one accord heeded the things spoken by Philip, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. For unclean spirits, crying with a loud voice, came out of many who were possessed; and many who were paralyzed and lame were healed.” There was plenty of disorder there when the unclean spirits came out of them.

You refer to the fact that he calls fire from heaven and mention Revelation 13:13. However, this scripture says satan makes fire come down from heaven in the sight of man. Joshua is not doing this. In Matthew 3:11 we are told that Jesus will baptize us with the Holy Spirit and fire. Obviously it is reference to spiritual fire and not physical fire. Again in the ministry of deliverance, I have called fire down by the power of the Holy Spirit, tremendous manifestations and have taken place and demons have left people.

You ask me to exegetically review various scriptures most of which refer to false prophets and false signs and wonders as well as the preaching of another Jesus and leading people into error. As I said already our group went to Nigeria to thoroughly test what we had already seen on the videos and heard about Joshua.

While we were there we heard the name of Jesus Christ being constantly raised up, as well as the need for repentance and salvation. We heard dozens of testimonies from people who had repented and who had come to Jesus Christ, sin constantly preached against and the people exhorted to go and sin no more. In Joshua we found a man of humility, dedicated to the work of the Lord and operating in the power of the Holy Spirit. We saw the fruit of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the thousands attending there. As we spoke to many of them we found people disciplined in their study of the bible, exhibiting the love, joy and peace of the Holy Spirit. The presence of God pervaded the place.

Another brother and myself spent an hour with Joshua going over his doctrine and thoroughly satisfying ourselves concerning it. Before leaving he prayed for all members of our team and since then we have all known an even greater anointing of the Holy Spirit and the presence and power of God in our lives.

On the basis of what we have personally seen and heard as opposed to hearsay evidence, we clearly state that he is not a false prophet, nor a shaman but a true man of God. We have seen the evidence both in his approach to scripture and the fruit of the ministry.

In 2 Timothy 3:3 and 5 we read that in the last times there will be those who are slanderers having a form of godliness but denying the power of God. We are told to turn away from such people. This is a warning to us all not to deny the power of God. If we are going to judge other ministries let us not rely on hearsay evidence and prejudice but rather go to the person themselves and hear what the Lord has to say about them.

In Matthew 7:1 onwards we are warned by Jesus not to judge that we be not judged. Before we entered into judgment on Joshua we went and looked and listened for ourselves. We commend this course of action to you.

Eight weeks ago a man was raised from the dead when Joshua prayed for him at the Church of the Synagogue. The whole event was videoed at the time and this video is now available.

The prime accuser against Joshua has been a former pop musician turned preacher called Chris Okotie. He has published many allegations which are complete falsehoods. Other critics of Joshua have picked up on these allegations and circulated them around the world.

Attached you will find the report of the Religious Monitoring Board of Lagos. This Board made a request to the Lagos State Government and Federal Government of Nigeria to investigate the allegations made against Joshua by Reverend Chris Okotie and the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria. This revealed that there was no such substance in the allegations and the Government pronounced a verdict of innocence.

The government then issued warnings to Reverend Okotie and his Pentecostal Fellowship group to desist from their falsehood, unfounded, mischievous and malicious attacks, laden with blatant lies against Joshua.

You will note that the Religious Monitoring Group has monitored the Church of the Synagogue since 1993 and found nothing unusual or unbiblical in the practice, doctrine, teaching and made of worship of the church. It commends the life of Joshua as worthy of emulation and states that his anointing is of absolute righteousness and holiness which many of the Nigerian Pentecostal churches lack.

Reverend Okotie’s wife is now filing for divorce because of his adultery.

It is clear that this report is a complete vindication of the ministry of Prophet Joshua.

I am attaching a report from a leading Dutch theologian Professor Willem Ouweneel who holds doctorates in biology, philosophy and theology. He lectures in Universities in Switzerland, Holland, South Africa and Germany. Contrary to the commentators whom you quote, he has in fact visited the Church of the Synagogue and you will find that even though he comes from a brethren background he is totally supportive of T.B. Joshua and vindicates his theology.

We would also refer you to www.theremnant.com  On this website you will find unequivocal proof from an independent commentator of the healings from HIV and other conditions at the Church of the Synagogue through Prophet Joshua.

There are 15 videos available showing the ministry of Joshua and various healing miracles. As I have already said, they are available on my website www.doveministries.com where you will find details of these videos. Anybody interested in the ministry of Joshua should watch these videos to arrive at their own conclusion.

God Bless

Bill Subritzky

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Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria Secret Exposed On TB Joshua

After our articleWar in the Church, Many against TB Joshua Part 1 and Part 2 was published, thousands of people wrote to us thinking we are SCOAN and wanted to know why we took so long to respond to some of the disturbing allegations made by some Pastors in Nigeria against TB Joshua.

Editor’s note:

We wish to inform all our readers that Watching TB Joshua has nothing to do with the SCOAN. We are individuals operating from Canada, USA, and Holland. To know more about us please check the about us page

In this article we are featuring a Pastor Chidi Daniel a member of the Pentecostal fellowship of Nigeria, begging Prophet TB Joshua for forgiveness. Many may wonder why but the truth is “where there is no guilt there is no apology”


If we cherish evil thoughts, the LORD God will not hear us. And when we stand praying, if we have anything against anyone, forgive them; so that our Father in heaven may also forgive our offenses. Listen to this pastor’s confession in asking for forgiveness to the Man of God. Watch and be set free In Jesus’ Name.

We shall publish other members of the Pentecostal fellowship of Nigeria shortly